More than 18 months ago Jean-Roch Houllier, director of educational innovation at the Thales Learning Hub, established a structure geared towards helping his company’s training system meet new demands and “above all remain at the hub of an arena that has become considerably more complex with the arrival of new players”, which has led to a kind of “uberisation” of training. Before thinking about this new structure and strategy, Houllier needed to closely analyse the ways the world of training is being transformed. In an interview with Planet Labor, he shares some of his analysis and recounts how his vision and strategy for education and digital came about.